i feel sad bc nobody knows me as the guy who loves crocodiles anymore i used to be so vocal about it. i still love them with all my heart those big boys!
crocodiles are filled with hate
you’re going to be filled with bullets if you keep running your mouth
Okay, that’s pretty great. That’s got to be great fun for the bears getting to have fun with novel objects, and it’s a great way to bring home to people exactly how much damage they can do and why you don’t want to habituate them to your neighborhoods or entice them to visit your campsite. Not to mention a great way to encourage community involvement!
People who ‘love nature’ but violently hate their native coyotes, spiders, snakes, and scavengers are fake.
Here’s the thing about the post. You don’t have to love or even like every animal. You can dislike things! Humane, intelligent pest control is fine and necessary. This isn’t the issue and never has been.
It’s violent, blind hatred and hypocrisy that’s the problem. People who gush over foxes and owls and hawks but want coyotes and snakes dead in the next breath. People who will rescue prey from predators because predation is mean. People who find it appropriate to leave sadistic comments on pictures of spiders or snakes someone is appreciating or owns. People who insist on labeling species as ‘good’ or ‘evil’. This is the sort of behavior that bothers me.
People who only appreciate nature when it’s aesthetically pleasing to them and want to destroy the parts they find ugly and unpleasant don’t truly understand or love it. They love an ideal that isn’t actually representative of reality.
Ok, but what good are wasps? I’m really curious.
Wasps are one of the single most important insect predators. They control not only other insects but also spiders, as well as acting as pollinators for certain plants (such as fig trees, which famously cannot fruit without a wasp inside them) there are hundreds of different types of wasp, the vast majority of them harmless to or fearful of humans.
texas rat snakes are neither invasive nor overpopulated in texas… which is their native range… something cant be invasive in their native range. there are many because there are many resources for the snake- namely, rats. it was extremely unethical of your professor to remove the animal from the wild especially for the shitty reasons he gave. im appalled that someone involved in higher education would say such selfish and false things and be so uneducated and yet still claim to be concerned about other animals.
i always immediately jump to: “would they have killed a cat?” cats are much more dangerous to endangered species than native snakes.
what the hell man.
People say the same thing about crows and ravens here, that they’re bad because they kill songbirds.
Everything is bad, foxes and ravens and snakes are all bad because they kill birds. The windows on your patio though? Your cat? Your copious amounts of pesticide and weedkiller? Suddenly “oh they’re just birds.”
I’ve been following the story of Billy pretty closely. I’m glad you asked – it’s the sort of thing I think is really important to talk about, because people need to understand what’s going on behind the nicely framed stories about animal activism you hear in the media, but I’m never sure how much of that sort of animal industry politics followers are interested in reading.
The reason this specific instance is so important is because it’s a hell of a lot more complicated than ‘sanctuary vs zoo, which is better for the animals’. The decision to go after Billy – and only Billy, and only right now – looks to me like a really strategic political decision from the animal rights movement, and it falls in line with what I’ve been researching the history, evolution, and MO of the animal rights movement. As I’ve been learning more and more about how animal rights organizations and their partnered sanctuaries conquer and divide to achieve the change they want to see, a very specific pattern of action has started cropping up and this situation exemplifies how they’ve learned to use legislation, the legal system, and the good intentions of the general public to remove animals from zoos. This explanation is going to seem a little bit like jumping at shadows, but this method of petitioning cities to seize zoo animals as assets – and the really conveniently timed fallout that would result from their success – is textbook animal rights organization planning.
So here’s what you need to know – if Billy is sent to a sanctuary, the LA Zoo would lose their AZA accreditation. They’d likely then be subject to the new wild animal performance law that’s got major support in LA right now, because only AZA institutions would likely have an automatic exemption. The combination of loss of accreditation, potential inability to do public education and outreach, and the ability of the AR groups to spin the situation as ‘AZA kicked them out for being abusive to their elephants’ would massively damage the viability of the zoo as an institution for the foreseeable future… at which point AR groups could easily petition the city to seize more animals from the collection and send them off to sanctuaries, because it’s now “well known” what a horrible institution the LA Zoo is. That would normalize the idea that animal rights organizations and city officials with no professional animal experience know more about animal welfare than the best zoological institutions in the country, and would set a scary precedent regarding what sorts of institutions the public will accept the animal rights organizations condemning and removing animals from. With that sort of potential fallout – and all of the pieces of the puzzle having been successful, individually, within the last decade or so in regards to other animal rights campaigns – this really is not about a single elephant at all.
AZA has this one really important rule in their accreditation standards, and it boils down to: any zoo they accredit must be considered the experts and have final say over the care of their animals. If anyone external to a AZA accredited zoo overrules that zoo’s choice of care for their animals in any way, that zoo loses their AZA accreditation because they are no longer viewed as having ultimate control over the welfare of their charges. This is really important when it comes to elephants, as the Toronto Zoo lost their AZA accreditation over exactly this situation: animal rights activists caught wind of TZ’s plan to transfer their elephants to a facility in Florida where they’d live in a bigger herd, and petitioned the city council to send the elephants a the Performing Animals Welfare Sanctuary (the same one they want Billy to go to, which has a known history of uncontrolled tuberculosis infections on the property to this day). The Toronto Zoo is a municipal zoo – which means its animals were city property – and the city council chose to claim the elephants as assets, ignore the evidence of animals with active TB already living at the chosen facility, and then overruled the Toronto Zoo staff’s due diligence about what choice would provide the best welfare for their elephants and sent them away to PAWS. Having been overruled by the city council and having lost control of animals in their collection, the Toronto Zoo lost their AZA accreditation. (They later reapplied and were re-accredited).
So, if the animal rights activists can convince the city council to claim Billy as an asset and remove him to PAWS, it would really damage the LA Zoo as an institution. Their credibility in the eyes of the public would be destroyed, they’d lose exemptions from federal legislation due to losing their AZA status; they’d be forced to pull out of multiple major SSPs (because only AZA institutions are allowed to house animals in the Green level programs, of which LA zoo has number); they’d likely lose grant funding. What’s more, the zoo would then be subject to the recent law banning the use of any exotic animal in “entertainment”in LA, because if has the same structure as similar legislation we’ve seen in other states, only AZA facilities get an exemption. If true, that would mean the zoo would no longer be able to do education and outreach programs with their animals (and this law was backed by PAWS, the organization that runs sanctuary they’re trying to send Billy to).
There’s a very specific reason that this whole campaign centers on Billy, not all three elephants, which is part of what makes it so clear this is a campaign with an end goal of damaging the LA Zoo’s AZA accreditation. Billy’s two elderly companions, Jewel and Tina, would be far better candidates to be sent to a sanctuary if welfare is really the concern driving the advocacy. They’re rescues from a private owner who were massively underweight and had chronic medical conditions, and it’s not as important for them to stay within AZA’s management as other elephants because they’re too old to contribute to the Asian Elephant SSP. The LA zoo has previously been willing to send older elephants to the PAWS sanctuary without needing intervention from the city council (that story is discussed below), so why is this newer campaign ignoring the elderly females and bypassing the zoo entirely by going to the city council when their welfare would likely be more improved by that sort of move? Jewel and Tina don’t belong to the LA Zoo – they’re officially part of the San Diego Zoo collection and on loan to LA – which means the city council can’t claim them as assets and forcibly remove them. The only elephant at the LA zoo that the LA city council has the ability to control is Billy, and so it’s pretty clear this is about getting the city council to overrule the zoo’s choices in caring for their collection and not about which elephants would benefit most from leaving the zoo environment.
This is an attempt by the animal rights industry to undermine the LA Zoo as an organization – that much is clear. Billy is just a convenient figurehead and an animal that the public will empathize with while being completely unaware of the the ulterior motives behind the advocacy effort. It comes at a delicate time, too, as the LA Zoo is currently in the process of developing a new master plan for the future of the facility. That’s a future that would be massively impacted by a loss of accreditation and all the potential fallout that would go along with it.
So that’s the context to the Billy situation, and why people are fighting so hard on both sides of the issue. But what the public really cares about here isn’t the politics, it’s the animal welfare, so here’s a look at history and the welfare of the elephant at the center of all this furor.
Billy is one of three elephants at the LA Zoo – he’s the youngest, at 32, and the only male. Billy is kept separated from his two elderly female companions, Jewel and Tina, because he’s young enough to still want to reproduce and would injure the elderly ladies if he tried to mount them. However, while the elephants are always separated by a barrier, the exhibit was designed with heavy-duty wire fences that meant the elephants could always be able to see, hear, and touch each other through it. The LA Zoo Asian elephant exhibit is one of the biggest elephant habitats in the United States at 6.5 acres (with almost four acres of yard space), and was opened in 2010 – the construction of a state-of-the-art habitat was part of the resolution from the first time animal rights activists demanded the elephants move to a PAWS sanctuary.
In 2006, an elderly Asian elephant named Gita died at the LA Zoo. It’s not clear what led to her ending up in position she did, but she was found laying on her back legs with her front legs stretched in front of her. Nothing they did could entice her to stand back up, and she eventually died as her body weight crushed her own tissue and the toxins released during that process overloaded her kidneys. (While this sounds brutal, it’s worth keeping in mind that this is likely how many elderly large animals die if they lay down for the last time in a position that puts their weight on their own body). Animal rights activists had already been agitating for the LA Zoo’s elephants to be sent to a sanctuary, and they used Gita’s death as momentum to push for Billy and the other female housed there at the time, an african elephat named Ruby, to be transported to a sanctuary where it was claimed her welfare would be much higher than at the zoo. The LA Zoo eventually caved to public pressure and chose to send Ruby to PAWS (keeping their AZA accreditation
by doing so voluntarily) where she was immediately housed with other animals without a proper quarantine period, exposed to animals who were TB positive and were not diagnosed until after death, and eventually died herself in 2011 from an unknown disease that looked suspiciously like TB (PAWS declined to send out samples for testing, despite what appeared to be physical symptoms observed during the necropsy).
Gita at the LA zoo in 1999 in the old exhibit. ( Photo Credit: Al Seib / Los Angeles Times)
Billy remained at the LA Zoo after Ruby left, and the organization undertook a 42-million-dollar elephant exhibit renovation with the intention of bringing in another breeding male and a number of females as part of the Asian Elephant SSP. In 2007, local activists sued to halt construction of the exhibit with the goal of removing elephants from the LA zoo permanently and forcing Billy into a sanctuary – after a case that was drawn out for a number of years and repeatedly stalled exhibit construction, the judge assigned instead that the LA Zoo was allowed to continue exhibiting elephants but was required to exercise them frequently, make regular exhibit improvements such as tilling the soil, and banned the use of tools such as bullhooks and guides at the facility. When the new elephant exhibit opened in 2010, the LA zoo decided to put breeding plans for Billy on hold in order to house a pair of bonded female Asian elephants – Jewel and Tina – who had recently been removed from a private owner who had neglected their medical care.
The three elephants share access to the large, heated elephant barn and have 24/7 access to five unique outdoor yards. Each yard has a substrate of soft sand that is tilled regularly to keep it from becoming compacted and hard – the shifting motion of the sand helps keeps the elephants in shape as they walk over it – and each yard has unique features like puzzle feeders, bathing pools and waterfalls.
Browse and treats are placed at unique locations around all the yards each day, encouraging the elephants to explore their environment anew each morning. In addition, a comprehensive environmental enrichment program makes sure the elephants always have novel objects and stimuli to interact with and a daily training session (which the public is able to watch as a demonstration most days a week) keeps them mentally engaged by practicing foot care, grooming, practice for any veterinary behaviors that might be needed, as well as strength- and balance-focused exercises.
The AZA accreditation standards – which cover general animal policy in 34 pages, and use another 12 to cover animal interactions with the public or use in education programs – have dedicated 32 pages specifically to the regulations regarding elephant husbandry, training, nutrition, body condition, enrichment, and welfare assessments. As a large AZA-accredited zoo that frequently falls under the celebrity-studded, critical eye of the local populace, it’s inconceivable that Billy’s care (and that of Tina and Jewel) is not in accordance with these highly detailed requirements.
Photos of the new LA Zoo elephant exhibit. (Photo credits: The Portico Group).
The LA Zoo’s elephant exhibit, finished in 2010, was designed by The Portico Group, a design firm founded in Seattle, WA in 1990. The Portico Group’s exhibit designs consistently awards every year within the industry for their incorporation of the newest animal welfare science and management technologies as well as educational and interpretive options. Their design for the LA Zoo is on par with the quality of the rest of their designs, and features a similar amount of yard space for the elephants as the design they created for the widely-praised Cheyenne Mountain Zoo’s Africa expansion that opened in 2013.
One of the biggest reasons people express a concern for Billy is a head-bobbing behavior he’s been known to perform his entire tenure at the LA Zoo. The public is aware that repetitive behaviors (called stereotypies) can be signs of low quality welfare, and often worry that means that Billy isn’t being well taken care of at the zoo. However, one thing that isn’t commonly known about sterotypical behaviors is that once developed, they rarely go away once the animal is in a better welfare situation – which leads guests to often misunderstand an animal’s behavior as it relates to their current care.
The LA Zoo has studied Billy’s head bobbing behavior over the years, and concluded that it appears to be an anticipatory behavior rather than one brought on by stress, as it mainly occurs when the elephant is awaiting the arrival of food, expecting a keeper interaction, or getting ready for movement into another area of his habitat. They also found that Billy had been noted to be displaying the head bobbing behavior when he came to the zoo at age 4 and that it was not something not something he developed during his life at the facility.
Just because the behavior doesn’t mean that Billy has low welfare in his situation at the LA Zoo doesn’t mean the staff just want to leave him to bob and sway: to help decrease the amount of head-bobbing Billy does and engage him in a range of other behaviors, the keeper staff change their husbandry routine slightly each day and provide enrichment at different times in order to keep him investigating his environment instead of standing and waiting for regular occurrences.
At the end of the day, Billy’s welfare does not appear to be the impetus pushing this current furor around “rescuing him” – he’s a convenient figurehead for what appears to be a well-coordinated attempt to undercut the LA Zoo’s credibility and accreditation status.
But even though the actual welfare of the elephant is irrelevant to the organizations pushing this agenda, the general public is now very invested in understanding Billy’s welfare in regards to the outcome of this situation.
The sanctuary animal rights activists are recommending Billy be sent to has multiple issues with basic elephant husbandry and medical treatment. PAWS was unable to evacuate their elephants in when threatened by a massive wildfire in 2015, due to their policy against doing even the most basic husbandry training with their animals that would have allowed them to be walked into a trailer or crated for transport. Instead, the animals were sheltered on site as the fire came within a few miles of the facility, putting them through massive amounts of stress and resulting in probable smoke inhalation. PAWS frequently take in animals that are reported as healthy upon transport, only to report having to euthanize them within a few years due to crippling chronic conditions. Most concerning is that PAWS appears to be plagued by frequent tuberculosis outbreaks among their elephants, potentially with multiple strains of the disease, despite their stated adherence to biosafety protocols -and that they have had at least one animal die while sick with active, contagious TB infections that were only discovered post-mortem.
Billy is currently housed in a modern elephant habitat that was created in accordance with best practices for elephant management by outstanding architects – a remodel that was done specifically in response to the original welfare concerns about LA Zoo’s elephants in the late 2000′s. He has access to state-of-the-art veterinary medicine and is cared for by a dedicated team keepers who practice medical treatment behaviors, like foot care, with him daily to ensure that he can quickly receive treatment in a stress-free setting if it becomes necessary in the future. LA Zoo’s elephant keepers work hard to keep Billy active, mentally stimulated, and make sure he has plenty of positive social interactions with both the human and elephant members of his herd.
If the goal of the general public is Billy’s welfare, he is far better off in a habitat designed for him to inhabit with the staff he has known for a better part of two decades than being sent across the country to a facility with massive red flags in their elephant management program just to fulfill a political movement’s agenda of damaging the facility that holds him.
@why-animals-do-the-thing How old was the other elephant ruby who was sent to PAWS and how come nobody has come up with a counter protest to show how dodgy PAWS is? I’m fairly sure that if something like that happened here the RSPCA would intervene in the best interests of the animal.
Ruby was 46 when she went to PAWS, and died there at age 50.
There’s a couple reasons there hasn’t been any sort of pushback about PAWS.
The first one is that it turns out that Koretz’s motion doesn’t actually say what specific sanctuary Billy would go to – PAWS being the specific facility isn’t part of the original dialogue, so the zoo wouldn’t be responding about the specific facility he’d go to. Now, it still makes sense he’d end up at PAWS – there are only two elephant sanctuaries in the US, and the other (The Elephant Sanctuary) is located in Tennessee. You don’t move elephants any farther than you have to. Ruby went to PAWS and PAWS has expressed an interest in housing Billy since the first push to rehome him in 2007, and PAWS has been heavily involved in a lot of the recent animal legislation in LA.
Second is that the AZA is not the most politically adept organization, and they’ve never had a great strategy for dealing with the vitriol of animal rights organizations. They don’t anticipate the attacks and always end up on the defensive. Right now, I think the LA Zoo is hoping that people will choose to keep Billy in their care because they think the zoo is where he’ll have the best welfare no matter what – not because it’s the lesser of two evils. They don’t want to stoop to the level of animal rights activists by talking about how bad the conditions at sanctuaries are. And since PAWS has not thrown their hat in the ring yet – they haven’t stepped up and said ‘give him to us’, likely since it’s the obvious outcome of any sanctuary push – the zoo can’t talk about their specific organization as being involved.
Third, I don’t honestly know how much the zoo world knows about shitty situations at elephant sanctuaries. I really want to think they pay attention to all the sanctuary politics and the situations that result, but most of those involve interactions with private owners or “roadside zoos” and honestly AZA just doesn’t care very much about people external to their accreditation system. Most of what is out there about PAWS is either from Toronto Zoo’s experience with them or from circus folk and private owners who’ve had their elephants end up there – the non AZA world does a much better job of tracking all of that information because they’re the ones at most risk of being targeted by animal rights organizations. So, y’know, it’s entirely possible that they’re not aware of how awful some of those management situations are – they know they’re not up to AZA standard and don’t like them, but I don’t feel entirely confidant enough to say that AZA is aware enough as a whole to really understand the full picture.
And, fourth, AZA is currently trying to straddle a really awkward line where they’re partnered with animal rights organizations on some topics but not actually in bed with them. What that means is that they’re super reticent to actually put anything out there about if they support or dislike what animal rights groups are doing or saying, and if the current pattern holds they’ll be silent on this issue until it is over and their official stance would no longer be relevant, and then they’ll create a press release that positions them as well as possible politically depending on the outcome. Getting AZA to make any sort of statement on anything contentious right now, especially if it involved animal rights organizations, is virtually impossible.
The real question here is “what is smart?” because rationalizing is something we as the human species invented in my opinion (what is “good” and what is “bad”). Anyhow, the question is still interesting, let’s look at the phylogenetic tree shall we:
Following the “if the clade is younger, the animals are more adapted/advanced”-argument, flies, butterflies and hymenoptera should be most “intelligent”. I think intelligence can be “measured” in cognitive behavior, and we know some examples of moths reacting to chemical cues. But this is not “real learning”.
Bees, bumblebees, wasps and ants are however capable of learning behavior. In nature, these animals live in colonies and are able to protect other individuals altruistically and care for larvae that are not even from their own. In addition, bees have developed the interesting “bee dance” in order to communicate about food-sources, and if I remember correctly, bees even learn the dance from other workers. Orchids even have some interesting co-evolution going on with inexperienced bees, indicating that bees can learn which flowers they can visit.
There are two big ones to come to mind that are more recent, as far as I know
Habitat – preferred over exhibit or enclosure. Usually only refers to area viewable to the public, non-public areas are still called holdings and not habitats.
If you’re going in for an interview, I would peruse their website and their social media posts to see what terms they’re commonly using. Most facilities have certain terms they prefer to use and you’ll usually see those facility specific terms reflected on their website and social media postings.
Man, I have feelings about that ‘in human care’ instead of ‘captivity’ switch. Like, yes, it’s more PC but it just feels like an attempt to dodge the emotional association animal rights has given the term and I’m really worried that it’ll blow up in the face of the field because they’re pretending water isn’t wet with fancy words.
Like @zookeeperproblems said, though, your best bet is to really read the facility’s social media and PR messaging closely. I was trained in facilities that preferred ‘exhibit’ and ‘yard’ over habitat and I was a bit blown away when suddenly I was finding out we had to use habitat now – it just wasn’t a thing at the places I was spending my time.
Honestly the mere fact that some people refer to Daddy Long Legs as “harvestmen” is creepier than 90% of all deliberately created horror but like the worst part is that the alternative is calling them Daddy Long Legs
True harvestmen, and not cellar spiders which are the other Daddy Long Legs, are truly omnivorous- known to eat everything from spiders, to fecal matter, to leaves and fungus… But one of the singularly most interesting habits of a particular European species is their almost symbiotic relationship with beehives– particularly man-made beehives. When a bee dies inside the hives, workers will remove the the corpse to just outside the hive just before dark. And the harvestmen? Well, they live up to their name.
So what you’re saying is that they are the grim reaper for bees.